Oral History Project

MR. K. NARAYANAN: A good evening to everybody.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Today is a red letter day for the '65 batch.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Though, we belong to the second batch,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: we were the first batch to inaugurate this campus and the hostel.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: At that time, the Krishna hostel was named as Taramani

MR. K. NARAYANAN: and that is the one which we occupied, two per room.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: I had the distinguished honour of being

MR. K. NARAYANAN: neighbours with Dr. C. R. Muthukrishnan

MR. K. NARAYANAN: the gold medalist of our batch. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: A3.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: He was in A3, I was in A4. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: A3

MR. K. NARAYANAN: And, A4 is the room where I was named Ghost.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: And, since then, nobody remembers my original name is Narayanan.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: And, Pradeep Mallick called me about 10 days back,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: said, he is coming to Madras.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Then, I talked to Mamata and Mr. Kumaran

MR. K. NARAYANAN: and then organized, “why not we have a get together of ‘65 batch?”

MR. K. NARAYANAN: In fact, I would have called another four or five people from Madras,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: but I understand, there is always a space limitation.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, I thought, we will have the restriction to

MR. K. NARAYANAN: two distinguished alumni, Pradeep Mallick and K. V. Rangaswami -

MR. K. NARAYANAN: winners of Distinguished Alumnus Award

MR. K. NARAYANAN: and two distinguished professors of IIT Madras -

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Dr. C. R. Muthukrishnan and Dr. O. Prabhakar.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, in between, I am a nobody,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: so, I just start this and then end with this

MR. K. NARAYANAN: and then, hand over to Mr. Rangaswami.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Good evening, as Ghost said, sorry, as Narayanan said,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: we were the first batch to enter into the campus.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And, I was fascinated in 1960,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I remember it was August 16th

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: when we walked into this campus,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the beauty, sheer beauty of this campus,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and I am and still fascinated

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: by the way they have kept this campus as it was,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: as as it used to be those days, green, nice, beautiful.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I remember, those were the days when

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the hostels are started,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the construction was going on in Cauvery was,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: what you say Cauvery now -

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: It had a different configuration at that point of time,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the wings and Krishna.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And Dr. Chaudhri, Professor Chaudhri, was the

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: eivil engineering professor, he was the warden of the hostel.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And, director was Sengupto and we had a wonderful registrar,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. R. Natarajan, who recently passed away,

we had a condolence meeting also here, IAS.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We were lucky to have that kind of people there, at that point of time.

Because the improvement and the genesis of this institute is,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, what people we had at that point of time.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Mr. Sengupto, for example, he had a big hand in the,

you know, design of the various buildings.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And, he wanted to preserve the greenery of this campus,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: so he told the people, architects,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: who were, sort of in a competition to build,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: to design the buildings, he said,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: “I will only select those designs

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: which have least cutting of the trees.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, he said that, “no tree should be cut, that is one of my conditions.”

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: That is why this avenue used to be called Banyan Avenue,

even now, it is called Banyan Avenue.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And, it is so beautiful, no?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: They could have easily designed it in a different way

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and cut all the trees and all that, but it was his insistence

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: that, no tree should be cut while planning this campus.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, that was his will.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And everyone, naturally, he was number one director,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and people who designed, had to follow his dictum.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: That is why this campus is so...that,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, initial you know, what pace

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and direction which he gave, is still probably active

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and the whole campus has, you know, has been,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: kept nice, kept green, kept beautiful.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, and still, I am fascinated whenever I come here,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and that is a number of times,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I come here on various works, assignments.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And whenever, I know, as I remember about,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: that is, about 50 years back,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and that feeling, you know, that,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: whenever I come here, it invigorates me.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And I suppose, others also will have the same kind of an experience.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Even when we sit here and look at this greenery,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, it gives you a lot of happiness and peace of mind.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, there are so many things that we can talk about,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: during those initial days, how the hostels were

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and how we were transported.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In fact, the colleges, the academic classes

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: had not started functioning from this campus at that point of time.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We had our classes in AC College

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and another, Guindy Research Station.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And we used to be transported by lorries like sheep. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: trucks.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I remember still, and after some time,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: of course, many of the students picked up their own cycles 93

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and we were, you know, cycling from here to AC College

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and other Guindy Research Station, for our classes.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And it used to be one week

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, we had a nice curriculum arrangement.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: One week, only theory and the next week used to be workshop -

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: practicals; that was the nice arrangement.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We had 4 groups - A, B, C, D.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, when two batches had the theory classes,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the other two batches will have practicals.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And the carpentry shop was,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: again, in the Guindy Research Station

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and welding, the fitting shop was in is AC College or CLRI is it? OTHERS: yes, yes.

OTHERS: No, AC. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: AC College and

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think, CLRI was our admin block. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Admin block.

CLRI was Central Leather, MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: so, we had a different locations.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Carpentry was in highways department. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Highways institute.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But what happened was, the administrators saw to it that

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: all these things were shifted into the campus within 6 months.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And we started having the regular building,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: first was the civil engineering block. MR. K. NARAYANAN: 105

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: 105, where our classes used to start

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and...I mean, very quickly the campus was setup, I must say that.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, we were in that scenario,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: where one side construction used to be held

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and on the other side lot of activities used to be

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: had; I mean, we had classes at different points of time

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and in between, the deer was crossing the road,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and that kind of a scenario, I still believe, it was very nice.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And now, let me hear from Pradeep,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: what his initial reactions were

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: that maybe, we can take up from there and as a discussion.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, to touch upon a couple of things that you have mentioned.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: One is, the leadership of

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Professor Sengupto was really amazing. OTHERS: Okay.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He had a quiet leadership;

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I do not think I heard him or saw him yelling at anyone.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: There was a certain firmness about him and a good leader.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And, I think, you very rightly point it out

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that there were certain things that he wanted,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: which was, for the good of the institute

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: good, for good of the nation.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And, the entire planning of how these A, B, C, D sections were made,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because of utilization of space.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: We were called tenants in AC College

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: or in the Highways Institute;

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: we all had to be bundled.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: The few of first memories of this place was,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: the first memories were one of amazing enlightenment,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: in the sense that, having been brought up in Madras myself

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and having had a close, say, group of Madras

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: friends or some north Indians,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but here, we were exposed to a diverse India

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that came into your hostels.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, 120 of us, I think there was,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: kind of, I am not saying unwritten,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: it may have been a written rule that they wanted. MR. K. NARAYANAN: 120, right Pradeep?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: There were 120. MR. K. NARAYANAN: 120.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: They were drawn from all states of the country a country.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think, there was like quota,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think they had probably done a quota system PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: some numbers.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and I was lucky to get in over here.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, it was the first exposure to see

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: the diversity of India represented here.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And, to meet up with lots of new faces,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: lots of new friends and that excitement

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: in fact, became a bit of a distraction in my studies. This is one.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Second observation I have for myself,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: looking back nostalgically, is the fact that

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: we all came with our own set of say, baggage,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: with our own unique identity.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Whether it is our Muthu or Rangaswami or Narayanan or O.P.,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: everyone had his own identity.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I was a gold medalist in math in PUC.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I was a boxing kid when I was 10 and 12 years old,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: which I later put on weight, I could, I passed my age, my weight class

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: so, I could not box into that class.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Well, I was captain on my school cricket team,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I had done parallel bars, I had done swimming,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I had played hockey and cricket

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and all that prior to coming here.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I had been in NCC, in Loyola College I was in NCC

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: under a very famous under officer...now famous,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and so, we had very rigorous training and all that.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But suddenly, you come to a place,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: where you have suddenly grown,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: you come from a little well into a larger ocean,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: who are the first of their institutes.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, I may have been very good in

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: what I did in my little space,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but here I was exposed to a number of people,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: who were excellent in theirs.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: There was Olia, who was excellent in gymnastics,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: roman rings or parallel bars and weights.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: There was Aleem, who was a great sprinter.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: There was our Shetty, who was a great cricketer.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, I join the cricket team, but I was not captain, I was not as good.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I used to play badminton before,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but there was Jaggi Anand, who was

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: star badminton player from Punjab.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, like that there were many firsts

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and you suddenly found that you are no longer that first

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that you thought you were, right?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, you get a little bit of, shall I say,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: lesson in humility that you are not cat’s whiskers.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Now, you there are more cat’s whiskers than you,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: more super cats than you.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That was of very good learning initially.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: The second, as I said, was this diversity

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that caused certain distractions in my studies.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, the gold medalist in PUC math

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: was struggling to get through the first-year maths over here,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: which was very very tough, right?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: In other words, so a second lesson that I learnt was that, the

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: moment you...and then, it was like a boot camp over here.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I mean, these sessions of being driven in a truck,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: transported from our hostels to AC College

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: or to the Highways Institute, I found interesting, fine.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: One of our, talking about those truck rides,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: one guy called Zachariah got hit by one of the tree trunks

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because he was not watching.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Remember, he got knocked down?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Another guy, when we used to cycle,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: the deer those days, today they are all timid, they have become tame.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Those days, they were running wild,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and we were in their territory, do not forget.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, if we had a road on which we were cycling,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that might have been that track,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: where the deer used to cross.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, when they saw this cyclist coming down,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think it was Zachariah got hit by deer;

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: he got hit by a deer’s hoof.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, you know, these sort of things are memories,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but the boot camp business was very hectic classes,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: such an overdose of lectures,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: difficulty for me in understanding some of the

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: German accents of Professor Koch and others.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Hahn, it was tough.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Although, they made it simpler, in a way,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: by using lots of, what you call these, props?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think Dr. Koch particularly would use props to explain,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: say, physics and so on.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But anyway, there was a lot of overdose of that stuff.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: The workshops and carpentry

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and the fitting shop became a kind of

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: get away from the heavy dose of lectures

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because it gave a little respite

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: into doing something else.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Until there again, one found

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that it was not easy to file on those

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: steel bars that we were given.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And to make a cube,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I do not know whether you had to do that. OTHERS: We did.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: To make a cube to stand on an end

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and that was a relief OTHERS: We also.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and that was such a relief, when it finally happened,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because when I would file,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: to me it looked very nice, but when that gap,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: we could see light through it, every time!

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And we used to take a week to reduce the thickness of that. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I know.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, you had blisters on your hand and all that weeping.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, the respite of workshops from classes,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I do not know if it was true respite, how was it, it was

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: also murderous.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, the second lesson was then,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: when I once told my father,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: he had this just knack of asking questions and he would say,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: “so, how is it going, would do you enjoy the most?”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I said, “I like my fitting class the most in the carpentry.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He said that “you know, you should have

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: joined a mechanics school rather than an engineering college."

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That was his way of cutting me down to size and telling me,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: “focus on what you have joined there for."

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, the second lesson for me, first was in humility,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that I am not cat’s whiskers -

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: there are many who are much better than I in various fields.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: The second was to focus on, you know,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: what you have come here for,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: don’t take your eye off the ball.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That lesson took a little while, it took two years.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: When I had to finally choose my branch,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and I think, my professor those days called me

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: the “reluctant electrical engineer”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because I opted for mechanical and I did not get it, right.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, third, fourth, fifth year.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but then, I had very good electrical engineering batchmates

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: there was Muthu, there was Ananthu,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: there was Mani Chandy.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And here again, there was an exercise in sizing you,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because they were all brilliant,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: all of them, all three of them, brilliant guys.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And one could, sort of, learn from the sheer tenacity

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that they had - in how they applied themselves,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: the hours they would put in.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Muthu did not put in too many hours of work, to my knowledge,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because he was a natural.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He knew it all, somehow, I do not know,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: like, you know, because when I used to

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: go to his room to study, to get my doubt,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: There are always lot of people

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but he found time. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: waiting for his notebook.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But he found time for everybody.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He made time for everyone.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That means, when did he study?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That is why, I say that he did not have to put in hours,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: his tuition was through tutoring others

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and that was an amazing thing.

So, that is the lesson, that was him.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: You know, what my friend classmate

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Sunandan Sen, he used to tell me.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He says, “I will start my, you know,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: study after 12 o’clock at night.” I said, “why?”

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: “That is when Muthu’s notebook will be available to me.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: ” I said, “how will you get it?” He said,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: “after finishing he put it outside the

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: door. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: You know, the windowsill.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: “I used to pick it up at 12 o’clock

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and come to my room and study for 2-3 hours.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Because I did not take any notes in the class."

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, that my only saviour is Muthu’s notes. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He used to tell me.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, he was the most brilliant, the best student we had.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Of course, it reflected finally in his getting the

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Let me put it this way. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: President’s

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: gold medal. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: The best teacher we had.

OTHERS: Yes MR. K. NARAYANAN: Who?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Muthu. He was fantastic,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: really MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Continuing from what Pradeep was telling,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: it was a mini-India.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In the sense, people from all state,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: it was a state quota. It was not like what you have today,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the basis of selection is an entrance exam.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Those days, it was a state quota.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, from every state, you have several people.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And it is...you know, for us,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: it was a, in a way, cultural shock.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In the sense, MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: One of my friends; Mr. Chandrashekar. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Professor Chaudhri made it a point,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: that your roommate should be from some other state. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Some other state.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: You must not have the same person from. OTHERS: Same state.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: the same state as a roommate. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Even

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: though, we were initially little irritated by that,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: then later on we understood that it had its own merits.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And Chandru, you know, Chandhan Chandrashekar,

he used to tell me later on, last year when we met for the reunion,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: he said, “only after coming to IIT

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and moving with the people here,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I recognized that there could be other languages

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: in which people can converse.”

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah. So, he was always conversing with these people in,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the friends in Tamil. Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, it was only here he says, "I realized that

there could be other languages for conversations."

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, that was, you know, a natural national integration like thing... MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That is right.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: that was injected in us at a very very young age.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, our we had a broad mind

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: that was developed here during our initial days.

We had people from Bengal.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In fact, my all my survey mates were from Bengal.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, I picked up a little bit of that language,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: but Pradeep and all were, you know, born in Madras

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and so he had a mastery over several languages,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: it was natural to him.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: For me, having been, you know,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: having been brought up in a rural,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: semi-urban place like Trichy - Srirangam.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Therefore, it was difficult for me to get used to

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: this kind of a cosmopolitan setup

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and that took at least 6 months for me to

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: get adjusted to that cosmopolitan setup.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I chose Sunandan Sen as my roommate.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And that guy would start his morning

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and end his day with Rabindra sangeet.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And I would tell him, I said that

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: “Sunandan, this is too much for me.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Then, he would try and say things in Bengali;

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: one of his famous sayings was

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: “Ma Ma Brahmamai, raja koro ma, raja koro.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, what does that mean?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He is praying to Ma Ma Brahmamai,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: “make me good, make me good.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So I learnt those.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Then he would say,I would say “teach me a few words.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He said, “forget it, Pradeep forget it.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: You will not learn Bengali. You are no use.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I was posted in Calcutta, during my working life for 14 years;

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I love their language.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think it was a bit of this.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Then, I went to England for 2 years.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: There again, I had to share a room with a Bengali mate,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and he again had Rabindra sangeet.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, that was such a...started getting transfused into me,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: imbibed into me like osmosis and it was very wonderful.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, later, Ghost was our provider of all information,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: he is our encyclopedia, right?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And so, I asked him, I said,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: “I want Sunandan Sen’s address and telephone number,

I may go to Calcutta sometime.” He gave it to me,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but, it was 3 years later that I went to Calcutta.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: My wife and I met Sunandan Sen

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and his wife for the first time.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And he was surprised to hear me speak Bengali.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He said, “wow, I thought you would never learn Bengali, but you learnt it.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And it’s good we met him that time because 3 months later,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: we could see his health was not good,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: 3 months later he died.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And for me, that was really a vindication of my desire to meet him

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and to go and sit with the roommate I had in 1960.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So... MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He was your roommate, is it? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I did not know that. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: 6 months I shared the room. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He worked with me for few years in LNT.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, that was after that

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, I came to know him more closely at that point of time.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Then, he used to narrate a lot of funny things,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: during his childhood, or even when we were here.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: You know he was one of triplets. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Triplets yeah.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He was one of triplets, two sisters. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And his brother was

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: here, working in Chennai. In some Eswaran

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and Sons MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Hackbridge, yes

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Eswar, Hackbridge MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: company

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Hewittic transformers. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Do you remember Sunandan?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, he was an interesting chap. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Do you remember Sunandan Sen?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah, PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: all Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Like that we had a lot of interesting characters. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And I knew, and I knew Eshu

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: before, but I knew everybody.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I knew Eshu before we joined because we knew the family.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, he was one year senior to us, as you know. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: yeah yeah, true.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Carry on. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Pradeep, do you remember that industry tour

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: we went, to Bangalore and Mysore, electrical? MR. K. NARAYANAN: Electrical groups.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, did we go? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah, you do not remember that.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I think it was for 12 days or so. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Do you think I went along?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I doubt it, I doubt if I came along with you.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You did not come along uh? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Maybe not.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Ananthu came along.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Gopi. That is also an interesting experience.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I think we stayed in a big hall in some hotel.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Ok. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: It is a, it is a...

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMIl But, only in the final yearwe were allowed to some tour. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: The setting is more or like a prison.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Otherwise, there was nothing, tour and all was not encouraged. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Which are the, which are the

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: industries you visited, you remember?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I remember a few Indian Telephone Industries, PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Kirloskar and all.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Kirloskar. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Mysore lamps, Kirloskar

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: was quite hectic. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Which year was that?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I do not know, ’62 - ‘63.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Must be after third year, after branch.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And we had one course, which was called, I think,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: machine elements or something, which was

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: packed over 15 days from the workshop area.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And Narayanan from IIT, Kharagpur,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: young, more or less our age, he was a teacher in that course.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And, he used to show us...opened out machines

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: and explained the principle of operation, make a drawing.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: That was a very interesting course.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I do not remember how they assessed us in that course,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: but I got a decent grade.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, we were learnt very quickly here, while we were here that ,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: there is always somebody better than you,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: faster than you, louder than you. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Smarter than you.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Smarter than you and you know.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Loudest was I think Siddhartha, right? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, that is right,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that is why I said. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: What happened?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, Siddhartha was very good.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Pai was amazing in his brilliance. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Siddhartha was G1?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. G1. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: G1, G2 and all that

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: we used to name people at that point of time. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: G2 was T. K.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: G1 is Genius 1, that was P. Siddhartha

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and G2 of course, is our Ramakrishnan Ramakrishnan T. K.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: G2, because he got the second room in the ground floor, I think.

PROF. O. PRABHAKARl Genius 2. MR. K. NARAYANAN: No, no, actually

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Two interpretations. MR. K. NARAYANAN: No, after

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He declared himself a genius. I was his roommate. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHAN: Yeah, he declared.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: No G2, after G2 was named as G2,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: when we shifted from Taramani hostel to Cauvery.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: We see in Taramani hostel, all ground floor rooms - 22 rooms. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: It was only ground floor,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: yeah. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Whereas in Cauvery, only two wings in front of the mess was ready.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, ground floor, first floor and second floor. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Correct.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, G 1, G 2, G 3; F 1, F 2, F 3 like that.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: You got G 2. You and your roommate, Vijay Narayana. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Vijay Narayana.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: You got G2.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, immediately they were shouting, "G2, G2, G2," like that.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: You just got in front of the mess.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: G2 was your roommate?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I thought Siddhartha was Genius 1.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Ramakrishnan declared himself to be a genius,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: so, G2. He told me, he is a genius, G2.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Do you remember who was G3? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Myself?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Bhuvana Pillai Venkateshan was G3.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: I see. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You remember Cidambi Krishna?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, very well. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMIl He did not complete that? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He did not complete.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He did not complete. MR. K. NARAYANAN: who?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Krishna. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Krishna.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Very interesting fellow. MR. K. NARAYANAN: 32/60.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He went to IIM finally, after doing a BSc or something. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yes, IIM,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Ahmedabad. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I met him once in the flight;

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: neither of us could recognize each other.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: No, I recognized him.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: In fact, by mistake, I asked him, I said Krishna,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: you are not a member of alumni association.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Why do not you become a member?”

MR. K. NARAYANAN: He said, “I did not pass out from IIT."

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Then, I said, “sorry, so sorry, I did not mean it.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: See, his name is also on my list of people.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: For example, talking about games and excellence,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I remember Pappan - G. Padmanabhan,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and this fellow Krishna, that we were talking about.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: They were excellent in basketball.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Krishna was, he became very close to me right in the beginning.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He was a good friend right from the start.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And he used to tell me, he was forced by his father

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: who was an advocate in Vijayawada,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that "you must go to IIT and study."

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: The guy came here, he failed the first year,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: again he was sent back, he did not want to be here.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: There is a small correction. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: See, and...

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He did not fail; he chose to fail. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, definitely.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, and he. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I always felt it that way.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But not once. Yeah,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I know Very brainy chap. Twice.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Then... PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Only then, his father would let him do what he wanted. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That is right. That is right.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Then, his father said...he went to Osmania University,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: brilliant person. Got into IIM, Ahmedabad.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That was much later in ‘68 or ’69, IIM, Ahmedabad,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: joined Madura Coats, Kissan and so on.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I met him 10 days ago, we were in Bangalore.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Met him and his wife, Aruna. Brilliant career.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He is a fine chap.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, you know, the question is,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: how do you choose your Swadharma?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Do you know your Swadharma? Do you not?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, here I was struggling on various things.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, in IIT when I finally, said, "okay,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I have to focus on what I am good at,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: forget there are people better than me and everything else;

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: let them be where they are I am not going to get into their turf,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: let me be what I want to be.” Be that,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and then finally, you get what you deserve,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: you deserve what you get, so.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: You remember one Mr. Sundaram? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Nati.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We were MR. K. NARAYANAN: No. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: No, not Nati,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Natarajan Sundaram. there is another Sundaram. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Sundaram, who came from the first batch to second batch.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He was our classmate in the first year. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Sundaram?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Sundaram. He had belonged to the ‘59 batch.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He was saying, he could not get through.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, he repeated the first year along with us,

then at that year also he lost, he did not get through.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: See, he used to have excellent marks in the physics. He had a, he had a weakness

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: for draw...he was very weak in drawing,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: if I remember, but then, what happened was,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: he was very brilliant in all other subjects.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Saha was excellent in drawing.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Saha was brilliant. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: That is Sundaram.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We used to say, he is ideally an IAS candidate.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Then later on, he became IAS,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and he is served the state.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, just trying to... MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That’s what, dharma part.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: See, you get into the wrong place... MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That is why,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: yeah... MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: ...it does not suit you.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: You have to choose. Right. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: You have to choose your...

MR. K. NARAYANAN: See that is why, Fazal Mohammed, he left IIT,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: he became a doctor. So, totally different profession. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah Yeah.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, I think there were others, Italia also

and... MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah, he also did not.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and Bawa himself. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Bawa was there for three years.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: All this, his Campastimes, is his creation.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Even now, you know, he sends. I do not know who has given this... Yeah,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, he emails. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: My mail id,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you have must have given. MR. K. NARAYANAN: No, I gave.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: I used to receive from him, then forward it to IIT ‘65.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Then, he was made a member of IIT ‘65,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: with permission from the alumni association. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I see.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, then he is sending to everybody on his own.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But, he could only have limited copies until the time he was here.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: No, that is only one and half years say. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: He, first yearM and second year for 6 months. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Does it still continue,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: this Campastimes? MR. K. NARAYANAN: No.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: No? MR. K. NARAYANAN: No, Campastimes

MR. K. NARAYANAN: continues MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I do not know

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: whether it is there, you must tell us. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: It is still there?

OTHERS: Yeah Prof... PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: The version of it, I think, there is

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: It is not. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: But, it’s called The Fifth Estate or something right?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Doctor Klein was an editor, am I right? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: What is it called?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Fifth Estate. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I see.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I interviewed for them once

PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: It went through many different versions.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Okay. PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: Yeah. When I was a student, it used to be called Focus.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Focus, right. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, the name Campastimes, it was changed, is it?

OTHERS: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: We have a similarly one,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Mardi Gras was changed to Saarang.

PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: See, whenever... PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: That happened when I was in the admin.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Students were very unhappy about it initially. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Is not there something

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that you would like to PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Mardi Gras is a foreign

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: word. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: retain as a

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Saarang is Indian, yeah. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: would not you like...

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK ...that is why I am get...

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but would not you like retain something which will become a legacy?

PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: So. Every 5. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Because Every 5 years, every 10 years,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: we change the name it'S... PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: See every

PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: 5 years, we have a new group of students

PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: who try to define their own legacy. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Correct.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That is the issue. Yeah, that is right.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Sometimes, legacy is more in the content. Yes.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And not in the label so.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: It is okay, you can change the label, rebrand it, maybe.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And those days, the Annual Day,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, for the institute used to be,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, looked forward to, because of two things,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: there will be a great lecture by Professor, I mean,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Natarajan, who, when he talks,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: very, you know, very humorously about

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and cricket and all that.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: People used to love his lectures

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Registrar, right? MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah That was one

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: one important... PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You know later on, R. Natarajan who was director.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Second, was we used to stage our drama?

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Yeah. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And he was involved in... PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Third thing is, we can see some girls.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: There were no girls here, on the campus.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: No, we had in the final year; there were two girls.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I know, physics. Physics.. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In MSc Chemistry and Physics.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Both chemistry, physics. Vijayalakshmi

MR. K. NARAYANAN: and Annapurni. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: We all lived a very celibate...

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Right. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Abstaining life. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Insulated.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But those years, I think, it is our campus,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: which, you can say, is the only one that had rivers

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: which were stationary and mountains

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: which were moving right? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Correct. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yes

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah yeah true. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Buses were named

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Buses were named after the MR. K. NARAYANAN: Buses with mountains' names.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: mountains. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Hostels were named after rivers. Buses, the mountains, were moving.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But those buses are still playing? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah, yeah yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: From Adyar to... PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Now there are...Now, electric bus is there.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, but you still have the names? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: No.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Of Kanchenjunga and stuff like that?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Those names have been it’s not there, MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Kanchenjunga

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and things like that, you know. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: it’s just Electric Bus, you know?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Say something about our faculty at that time

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: that comes to your mind. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: What is it?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Faculty who taught us.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, the first two years is it was common PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Professor Shankaran in Civil.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: for all of us. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Professor Shankaran, he used to tell us about testing bricks.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He literally brought a brick to the class,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: and dropped it from different heights.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: At one height it broke. He said, “that is the test.”

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Professor Shankaran? This is sand and he will put sand.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Quite a person, he is. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Very interesting guy he is.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: There we had, interesting faculty those days.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We had a battery of German professors.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: That’s right. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Hahn was

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: taught us mathematics. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But in civil engineering, we didn’t have.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Koch taught us physics.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Civil civil we didn’t have. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: CiviL...Rouve.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Rouve was Civil. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Rouve was hydraulics,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I think, if I am not mistaken.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Not civil? MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Or machine design, I do not know.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Hydraulics. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Scheer PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Anyway, I remember,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Mrs. Rouve was the most charming person. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, true.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And all of us is to crowd around her.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: As we did to Mrs. Scheer.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Okay Scheer, yeah. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I thought it was Mr. Scheer.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Scheer. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Turbomachinery.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Scheer, used to be...for drawing,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: machine drawing, and all that.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: When we talk about Scheer,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: what comes immediately to my memory is,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: he used to draw something.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Then if it is not all right, he used to immediately rub it off

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: with his saliva. It was very, very funny for us, those days. saliva

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But I recall watching Saha,

\MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: the drawing class, he was very good.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: It all came naturally to him.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: After those three years they had all left.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: For us, we had difficulty in following their pronunciation.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, that is where, you know, he was saying,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: that Dr. Ramasastry and all that people

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: they used to be on the sidelines. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and clarify to us. When they pronounce

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: when we cannot follow their pronunciation.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: You know, “thought” no? He says, “sought”

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: it was something like that, you know, that kind of a...

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Electrical engineering, we used to have an interesting

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: R.B.Y. - where they’re three phases in electrical supply called R, B, and Y.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You forget what R, B, Y stands for,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: we used to interpret it as, R. Natarajan, B. Sengupto,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Y. Ramaswamy. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Y. Ramaswamy

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Natarajan was the registrar,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Sengupto was the director,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Ramaswamy is the estate engineer. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Engineer, yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Executive engineer or estate engineer.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: So, R. B. Y. means, these three guys

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: who created the campus in that time, yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Interesting days. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Our German professor Dr. Klein,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: he was very proficient in Sanskrit, PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Tamil, So, he used to say, “I like Tamil, PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: English.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: but do you know the difference,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: you cannot “when you write,” he would say, “Anandha Vikatan,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: the ‘ka’ and ‘da,’ how do you differentiate?

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Only people from Tamil Nadu know it.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: As a German, I had to learn it.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Like that, he used to explain minute things.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: You came first in German language, right?

MR. K. NARAYANAN: I used get good marks.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: You know, talking about Dr. Klein,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: one interesting thing I must tell you. One day,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: after six-seven several months, what, you know,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: in the second year only we were introduced to German.

So, 6 months had passed, he was taking classes.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Then, one day, you know he,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: asked somebody to stand up and said, “tell me the alphabets.”

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: That gentleman was telling A, B, C, D.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, he pulled out a revolver from his this thing and started...

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He said, “after 6 months, you are telling A, B, C, D, I must shoot you.”

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Norman Klein, uh?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He had an excellent communication skill;

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: he was very good in English and German.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And, he had an excellent personality, more than anything. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That is right.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I just had one...our batch was a little energetic and boisterous,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: and I joined here as a faculty in 1968 itself - March.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: And most of the faculty,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: they simply loved the second batch. They loved it.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: They loved, because they had something more,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: they had a little more extra energy,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: a little more mischievous, right?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: And I got the maximum affection from the faculty.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I am a very poor representative

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: because I was a very quiet person in this class,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: but they were all very kind to me.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Professor Swaminathan used to yell at me in Open Air

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Theatre, telling, “inga vada!” (come here!) MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yaaru? (Who?)

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Professor Swaminathan, physics? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Swaminathan, physics.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Physics. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Professor Aravamudhan, used to be extraordinarily kind.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I was the recipient of all their affection

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: because of all of you guys, which sometimes,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I used to feel, I truly do not deserve

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: it. Because, I am not, truly, a representative of the ‘65 batch. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Swaminathan, is he alive?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: O. P. Swaminathan is alive? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Dead.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Third day after he retired, he died.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He went, and you know how he is, he went to a hotel,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: ate some stuff and I think, I think, got some gastroenteritis,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: and passed away. He was very close to me.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: We used to roam around in Bangalore and... PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Swaminathan once came to the hostel

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: around 11 o’clock MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He used to suddenly have beard.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: and leaked the question paper.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You remember that, Pradeep?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Swaminathan came to Cauvery hostel about 11:00 in the night;

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: leaked the question paper for the next day exam.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Leaked the? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Leaked it.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Leaked, is it? I see.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Some questions, not all.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I think, one thing I enjoyed...

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I remember when some of... PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I certainly enjoyed I used to be treated very well

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: by the faculty. They were all very nice to me.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: For some reason, they liked our batch more than even the first batch.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: No, that is because... PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Everybody

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: knew the second batch. MR. K. NARAYANAN: The first

MR. K. NARAYANAN: batch was split between Saidapet, Guindy and even

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah. MR. K. NARAYANAN: classes, you know, they did not have the same... PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: That is not the reason.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: The reason was our batch was a little more. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Just enjoy it

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: and don’t over analyze it.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: This this batch had a little more fizz.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: So, they were all attracted by these facts.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Do you remember Dr. Ceasar? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: It was not pure merit

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. C. V. Seshadri. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: like a written exam;

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: they also had person interviews to be selected.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Both sides, both hands, you know.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Seshadri, C. V. Seshadri. MR. K. NARAYANAN: First day, he came to my class

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He can write in both hands.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: with the right hand he wrote his name,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: He said, “this is my name, that is my subject, and that is my room.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: It is always open, anytime you can enter.”

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He is the grandson of Dr. C. P. Ramaswami Iyer.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And you know, he will stand in the blackboard

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: those days it was only blackboard

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: in the middle of the blackboard

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and start writing from one side with a left hand

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and come to the centre, he used to change the chalk

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: to the right hand and complete the sentence.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: It was amazing, I had never seen anybody doing that.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But it makes so much sense, doesn’t it? OTHERS: Yeah

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Very good hockey player?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, he drowned, is not it?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: We had quite a few young teachers also. Gangadharan,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Gangadharan, applied mechanics. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Gangadharan, applied mechanics.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Applied mechanics.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He was very good.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Veluswami. Veluswami wasn’t that young, but yeah...

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Gangadharan’s… Theory of machines.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Theory of machines.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Gangadharan used to be a very compact teacher.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I think, he was one of our best teachers. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He had a nice,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: systematic way, he used to write on the board,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: write in a beautiful handwriting PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I still remember his

Maclaurin’s theorem, MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and for you know, he was…

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Taylor’s expansion. So, beautifully taught.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: I learnt it better in his class. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: You remembered Dr. Reddy?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Applied mechanics. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Who taught us applied mechanics?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I met him a few years back in Miami.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, I knew that he was in Miami.

So, I went to his house.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, of course, he gave me a dinner and all that.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And, I remember how he used to teach

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: applied mechanics in room number 105,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and you people used to love his classes, those days.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: More for the jokes also.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And he had wonderful English also, diction - was fantastic!

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Our first year chemistry,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: was taken by Professor Aravamudhan, inorganic chemistry;

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Professor Dr. Rajappa, organic chemistry;

MR. K. NARAYANAN: and Dr. Srinivasan, physical chemistry.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: I joined late; I did not get admission in the first attempt.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, I joined about September 13th,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: That is why I was ragged by my own classmates and then named Ghost.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, Professor Dr. Rajappa asked me,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: “are you familiar with the organic chemistry”

MR. K. NARAYANAN: I did not know, but mandatory, I said “yes.”

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Then, he wrote some formula on the board,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: one big carbohydrate formula.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: He said “read it...

MR. K. NARAYANAN: I started reading, “C minus C equal to, C is identically equal to.”

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Then he said, “I know how much organic chemistry you know.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Please meet me at the end of the class.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But we had excellent faculty also.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Some of the people he mentioned,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: they were all such great professors.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Dr. Rajappa for example,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: who took our organic chemistry he was… PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He went to SEBA, I think.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: …authority of the subject. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He moved to industry also

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: after, SEBA research.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Dr. Ramani, Professor Ramani, who used to take mechanical engineering,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: people will you give our grades.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: “Grades will be given in due time.”

MR. K. NARAYANAN: When if there is a…

MR. K. NARAYANAN: people will ask, “when are you going to give in due time?

MR. K. NARAYANAN: What do you mean by due time?” Not undue time,”

MR. K. NARAYANAN: that is how they used to answer. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Our electrical

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: engineering Head of the Department that time was…

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Venkata Rao. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Venkata Rao.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah. He was passed in electrical engineering. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, what happened to him? Did he continue

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: throughout, or he retired over here? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He continued for quite some time.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He had a DSc from Andhra University.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I think it is post PhD, I am not sure.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Sampath? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He did not retire here.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Venkata Rao. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Venkata Rao.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He did not retire here? He did not retire here?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He retired. His son-in-law was Dean of IC&SR.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Okay. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Professor of physics,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: how can I forget the name? Who?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Rama Rao. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Rama Rao, correct.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Rama Rao, who was later professor of physics and dean of ICSR,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: he was son-in-law of Venkata Rao.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And I had an interesting experience, you know?

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Natarajan’s…was your class right?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah, Prabhakaran O. Prabhakaran. MR. K. NARAYANAN: R. Prabhakaran.

PROF. O. PRABHAKARl R. Prabhakaran. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: R. Prabhakaran.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Where is he?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Prabhakaran. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He is in the U.S.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: He is the owner of… PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Some university. He was...

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: 1.067 by 60. MR. K. NARAYANAN: 67

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He was physics lab partner.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: In that, O. P. - 66, Prabhakaran - 67,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: then our Gurunani, then Mallick is 69.

PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: Oh, I see. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He is now an emeritus professor

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: at Old Dominion University near Norfolk. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Who?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: R. Prabhakaran? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He...

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Mechanical right?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Machine design. I think, PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He studied mechanical engineering.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: he does… MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Where is R. Natarajan though?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Bangalore.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Retired? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Settled down in Bangalore.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: See, everyone must have retired… OTHERS: Yes

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: If we are retired, then they… MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We are old. We all must have retired.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: No, retired from job, but otherwise active.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: He just wants to make sure that they have retired.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: No, because professors can go on. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: No. you are right.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In a way, those who are working in America

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and all that, there is no retirement.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I know. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Some of them could be working still.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Exactly. PROF. O. PRABHAKARl Particularly academics.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: No, but some opt for retirement,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Mani Chandy has opted and retired. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yes.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Last time I saw him. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I met him last year.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah. He was the It was his birthday

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: recipient of D.A.A. of last year. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: It

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: It was his birthday yesterday.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Mani Chandy? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yesterday was his birthday.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: When he was the deputy director,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: we had chosen his name. I wrote to him

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: for Distinguished Alumnus, but he did not reply. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: So, we had to choose another name.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: But that time... MR. K. NARAYANAN: Who, Mani Chandy?

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yes, yes.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: You; then he said you write,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: he was the… I was the president of the alumnus association.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But he has not;

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I did not see any change in him. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I could recognize him very easily.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Who Mani? He is fine last year.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Mani Chandy, today is his birthday. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Mani Chandy. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yesterday.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: But, you know, I notice some of our…

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: not only my classmates, but later my students also,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: we’ve done exceedingly well in the US.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Academic, I mean, mainly academic I am referring to here.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: They did hit the glass ceiling. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: They didn’t?

MR. K. NARAYANAN: His father was… PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Glass ceiling, you know.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: They did not hit, they hit? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: So, there is always

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: some group dynamics and politics.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: They should have been recognized much more,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I noticed that. Industry, they may not move them up

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: to a very powerful position, but they are compensated

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: otherwise quite well, which is not the case in academic.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: But Subra? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: In fact, one of my students,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Jai Dev Mishra, he is a coworker of Chandy.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Some of his work deserves to be awarded a

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: very prestigious prize, but he got bypassed three times, four times.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Chandy did a very well. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Chandy also has done well.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: But Chandy… MR. K. NARAYANAN: Mani Chandy’s father,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: he was a IIT Board of Governor’s Chairman. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yes.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah, I know. MR. K. NARAYANAN: For three years. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: His father,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: K. T. Chand R. PRADEEP MALLICK:y. Director of Hindustan Unilever.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: K. T. Chandy, yeah. R. PRADEEP MALLICK: He was the director of…

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I later had a connection with K. T. Chandy.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Because he put me on the board of Federal Bank.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Innum vera edhadhu topic pesunuma? (Is there anything else we need to talk about?)

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: We just about covered everything, yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: During our time we had one inter IIT meet

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: here in Chennai, remember that?

MR. K. NARAYANAN: That was ’64, when we were about to finish. Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, there were not enough hostel rooms

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: to accommodate all those people.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, we were asked to move to, you know,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: we are all occupying a single room,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: we were asked to move to some other room,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and we vacated those rooms for the other friends from other IITs.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, rather, that was a nice period of about 10 days, inter IIT meet.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Pataudi, who was Indian cricket captain,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: he inaugurated that inter IIT meet here,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: that was a lovely period.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Trouble is, that was a time when we had a final year final exam.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: So, we could neither spend the time there

MR. K. NARAYANAN: nor in studying. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You’ve seen the

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Chemplast Cricket Ground in IIT? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. MR. K. NARAYANAN: Yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: It’s a… MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But initially, first few years, we never had all those facilities.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We never had a tennis court till about, till third year.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We never had any games facilities.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: That was, I would say, you know,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I would say, a negative point for such a period.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: In fact, the first year. Our first year,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: we used to come back in the evening

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: to the campus after the workshop or classes whatever,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: we had practically nothing to do here, nothing to do. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, in quick time and came and. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I remember Lionel Paul in…playing

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: that tennis, you know. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Even in a third-year or fourth-year,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: so many things had come.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, I must, say, give credit to the director

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and registrar who MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Absolutely.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: brought in so many things because it is a barren land of 600 acres.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: In 19.... MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: To get things organized was very difficult.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Was it was 1961, December? PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: To give you an idea, we were...

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I went to Bombay for the inter-IIT. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: our warden

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: gave us instructions for first aid for snake bite.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Professor Chaudhri demoed it to us,

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: what to do in case there is a snake bite.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: That will give an idea of what kind of situation we were living in.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think, I represented the institute twice for inter-IIT.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I chose not to go, because as I said no, I had to focus on my studies.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, I went to Bombay in ’61, December,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: then I skipped Kharagpur,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think, in the Madras one I participated.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I think you guys may not know,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: we used to have movies shown in an electrical bay workshop.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah yeah, correct.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: With a 16 mm projector. O.A.T was not there.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I think it came… MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Open Air Theater was not there.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah, much later, just about the time we were to leave.

PROF. O. PRABHAKARl Building Sciences Block? PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: So, I remember movie, Norman Wisdom.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Stitch in Time,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: or something like that. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And every time that lamp used to fail, that carbon lamp.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I think they screened it some 6-7 times, you know, diehards.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And so, I do not remember who, Siddartha,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I do not remember who it is.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: So, we changed the titles from 'Stitch in Time

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Saves Nine' to 'Nine Times No Movie.'

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Yes, it was Kapur who took the stuff for film club. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Pritam Lal uh? MR. K. NARAYANAN: Pritam Lal Kapur.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, we had lunch with Kapur last Sunday. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Fat guy.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Pritam Kapur. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: We had lunch with Kapur last Sunday.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He is where, in Delhi?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He is in Delhi,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: but he was visiting Bombay, his daughter lives there, so.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: But the current,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I mean, I do not know really the current, but say, about

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: late 90s-early 2000s, the teaching

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: and so on is changed quite a bit in IIT.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Methods. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Not the method, but the overall ambience and so on.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: When we were students,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: there used to be tutorial, very regularly tutorials.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Tutorial yeah, right.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And every week there will be a home assignment.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You remember Padiyar?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Thermodynamics.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Every week, he will give those five problems and

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: you turn it over, and he used to correct it and bring it back.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yes, that’s right.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: All those gone now.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I do not know what the system of examination is now,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: but when we had; we had these periodicals,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: as we call it. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Surprise periodical.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Throughout the year. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: You still

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: have it? Surprise.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And of course, we had a

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: half year exam and the annual exam. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: You still, is it still like that now?

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Is it still like that now?

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: I am not teaching.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: He has retired.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: But the days are fixed. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: No. The point was,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Okay. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: the…initially, the periodicals used to be,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you know, scheduled. PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, we used to prepare and come.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: After some time,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: they introduce this concept of surprise periodicals. PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: Yes, yes.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, any day. PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: When we joined, we used to have periodicals?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Any day it can come.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, we used to prepare, you know, today is, you know,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: possibly, there could be this exam and all that.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, then they became wiser.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, they used to borrow their classes from some other lecturer

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and started having that periodical for that.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: That will really surprise me.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: See, actually it’s an oxymoron to call it surprise periodical,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: it is “surprise, a periodical.”

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: But we went through that. We had a year system.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: You remember Valluri, S. R. Valluri? MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah, yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He came much later,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: when we were in the third year or something. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: No, third year he came.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: He was very good. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: But when we finished,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: a few of us, I think Ramchandra Pai

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: wrote something, Siddartha and others, and gave it to him.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And came out with a figure like,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: we spent some 6000 hours of periodical,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: maybe 600, I do not remember that figure

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: some huge figure. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And we had a year system.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yes. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Carried 13 subjects

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: and 3 exams; first term, second term, final examination.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: All these periodicals added up to that final?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Some average they used to make. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah, that is why. Yeah, that is why.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: So, it was a rigorous system.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Had to do well in the periodical.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: In introspect, the only thing he taught us is some discipline,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: nothing more than that.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: I think in your time we had three terms, is it?

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: You…when you joined.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I think there were two terms. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Why I am saying is,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: I joined in October.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: In fact, I joined only to start the

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: practical classes for metallurgy students.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: The first batch, metallurgy students.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: I had to start Physical Chemistry Lab.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: In fact, Krishna Das Nair, was the first student

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: who met me when I came to the campus. So...

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Krishna Nair was in the first year - first batch, right?

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Krishna Nair.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: So, I think it was on two terms and possibly

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: it was divided in some way I do not know.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I think it was The Fifth Estate guys who asked me,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: “what is the difference I felt being a student,

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: do you having been a student and later a faculty?”

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: And I thought for some time. Finally, they

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: captured it very beautifully.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: He said, “as a student I was solving problems that were given to me.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: As a teacher, I was creating problems.” MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Not, we are not creating problems in the negative sense.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yeah. It can be taken that way.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: You are creating problems for the others to solve. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Since,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: you were all in the same batch,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: you remember the institute day being held in…

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Yeah. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: ‘62 near Building Sciences Block…

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Right, yeah.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Because the O.A.T was not there at that time.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: And there was drama available.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: No no, it was in the quadrangle. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Site of...

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: some civil engineering block. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: There was a quadrangle, you know?

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Right. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Where there was a big the emblem

of the institute was there. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Do you remember the…

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We had our Institute Day there.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Do you remember the character played by N. V. C. Swamy?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Who? PROF. C. S. SWAMY: N. V. C. Swamy, Dr. N. V. C. Swamy.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah, he was very active in all this academic…

Yeah. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: They staged the Kannada drama;

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: they staged the Kannada drama

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: at that point of time. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: No, Kannada drama,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: but his character, he played as a cook

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: and his neighbours, he was called as Gondhu.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: So, in fact, somebody,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: in one of the Campastimes or something,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: they have referred to that name.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: He and Y. R. Nagarajan, there is very... MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah, yeah.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Civil survey, civil survey. PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Survey.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: They two were very active in this.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In fact, there was a little skirmish.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: In the sense, which drama had to be staged first?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: He was staging a drama

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and were staging Kannada drama. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: …students uh?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So. MR. K. NARAYANAN: He acted as my son.

OTHERS: I see. MR. K. NARAYANAN: I was his father.

OTHERS: I see. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, we were fighting with each other, you know?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Our drama, in between, there was a Malayalam shadow play.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: So, there was a lot of you know…

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: as to which one will go first, which one will go second,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: and what is the last program of the day.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: As an assistant warden who was in-charge of the mess,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: what I remember is that day,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: Institute Day, in the vegetarian mess,

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: students, they came and told, “we would like to have a special dinner.”

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: The non-vegetarian section did not want a special dinner.

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: But then, there was some extra, you know…

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: So, they still requested…

PROF. C. S. SWAMY: and it became a very big thing for us.

PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Please summarize.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Mallick, would you like to conclude… MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: We had a thorough,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: enjoyable campus life.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: I would say that in conclusion.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: But today also, we had an interesting discussion, you know,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: our memories go back, we relived those days,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: it was enjoyable. All said and done,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: when you go into your professional life… 'Yeah, always.'

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: When you think back about your student days,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: you believe that those were the best days. 'That is correct.'

MR. K. NARAYANAN: You just summarize.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: With thanks to the Heritage Centre.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Thanks to everyone.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: I think, my takeaway is, from all that is, at the end of the day,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: it is all about people

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and how we connect with people. PROF. O. PRABHAKAR: Yeah.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And if that is one thing, I have learnt over here

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: from the diversity that we had

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and for me being a north Indian having been

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: brought up in the south and lived in the east,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: it is great to have this cultural connect.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And even today in fact, I am happy to say, I am in

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: contact with quite a number of, you know, our friends

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and it is not just telephonic contact,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: sometimes its physical contact with meeting up with them.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: When we go to California, we meet

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: some of the people who are our seniors

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: or Kripa came and met us once too, especially from San Diego.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Stuff like that, you know, that life teaches you, because

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: in whatever walk of life you take up, whether you are a professor,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: whether you are a doctor or an engineer or whatever

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: it is, you have to deal with people

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: and the people connection, people management,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: people bonding, people integration is critical forever.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And the other thing I have learned from here is, the sense of giving.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And if we have that shiva power - wanting to give,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: whether you gave like Muthu gave out of his knowledge,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: whether you give out of your finances,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: because, at the end of the day you not going to take it anywhere.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: How much can you give your children;

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: your children don't want it also.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, give to your institute, to your alma mater

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: give it to people who need it.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: There are so many philanthropic causes that you can do.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: So, this love for people and the art of giving this is the…

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Thank you all for… MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Thank you,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: thanks Pradeep. MR. K. NARAYANAN: First, we will thank him

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Professor Swamy for joining us. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Thank you, Swamy.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Professor Mahesh, who also joined with us.

PROF. MAHESH PANCHAGNULA: For some time. MR. K. NARAYANAN: And of course, Prabhakar and Muthukrishnan

MR. K. NARAYANAN: for coming all the way.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: And the Heritage Centre, Mrs. Mamata and Mr. Kumaran.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: It is all due to Mallick coming from Bombay,

MR. K. NARAYANAN: and Rangaswami extending his full cooperation.

MR. K. NARAYANAN: Thank you. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Thanks to you,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: for organizing. PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Thanks to Mrs. Narayan and Mrs. Mallick.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I mean, they have graciously given their time.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: I know Rangaswami. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: …after that I would know.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: And for Narayanan to who have organize it.

PROF. C. R. MUTHUKRISHNAN: Sure. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: You see his painstaking messages, he has been sending,

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: am I right Mr. Kumaran? How many messages he has sent?

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Yeah, yeah. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Connect with each one.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Thanks for that. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And you know something,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: he thoughts this the computer,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: previously, he used to tell me,

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: morning 4 o’clock something. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Yes, that is right.

MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: And by 6 o’clock he finishes all his

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: 3:52 A.M. I get. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: reading, replying all that.

3:52 A.M., I get messages from his mobile.

Great. MR. K. NARAYANAN: My day is over by 9 o’clock in the morning.

Good. MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Thank you very much.

MR. PRADEEP MALLICK: Thanks for everyone. MR. K. V. RANGASWAMI: Thanks a lot, thank you.